Full text Search

Hi,
I'm in the process of implementing a full text search service using MS SQL server 2000. Can anyone point me to some materials, books/websites that I could browse before I start my work?
Appreciate your reply.
Anantha
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"Anantha Padmanabhan" <ananthapus@.hotmail.com> wrote in message
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> Hi,
> I'm in the process of implementing a full text search service using MS SQL
server 2000. Can anyone point me to some materials, books/websites that I
could browse before I start my work?
> Appreciate your reply.
> Anantha
> ************************************************** ********************
> Sent via Fuzzy Software @. http://www.fuzzysoftware.com/
> Comprehensive, categorised, searchable collection of links to ASP &
ASP.NET resources...
|||Anantha,
Certainly! Check my new SQL Full Text Search Blog at
http://spaces.msn.com/members/jtkane/ and click on the "SQL Server 2000
Full-Text Search" category for all current blog entries. Much more is under
development, so check back often!
Thanks,
John
SQL Full Text Search Blog
http://spaces.msn.com/members/jtkane/
"Anantha Padmanabhan" <ananthapus@.hotmail.com> wrote in message
news:uLPRha08EHA.1404@.TK2MSFTNGP11.phx.gbl...
> Hi,
> I'm in the process of implementing a full text search service using MS SQL
server 2000. Can anyone point me to some materials, books/websites that I
could browse before I start my work?
> Appreciate your reply.
> Anantha
> ************************************************** ********************
> Sent via Fuzzy Software @. http://www.fuzzysoftware.com/
> Comprehensive, categorised, searchable collection of links to ASP &
ASP.NET resources...
sql

Full Restore Question

Did a point in time restore on Win2k Server EE MSSQL 2K EE sp3a
Database does a full back at 1am
Then from 4am on does a trans log backup
So had all file from 1am to about 5pm ( when the restore was attempted
)
I personally dont feel good about PITR but it was not my call.
Did the point in time recovery to 1206pm on that same day.
The restore ended up being right back at the time the restore was
started.
Any ideas?
I noticed doing the restore from Enterprise Manager when the checkbox
for point in time was clicked the list of backup files with checks by
them did not change.
Dont think they are supposed to.
How can I find out at what point in time the database actually did the
restore too?
EM has a but in the PITR dialog, as it natializes that datetime display and sends that string into
SQL Server, which in turn can be misinterpreted. Do the restore from QA and use a language neutral
way of expressing the datetime literals (STOPAT value), like 'YYYYMMDD hh:mm:ss'.
Tibor Karaszi, SQL Server MVP
http://www.karaszi.com/sqlserver/default.asp
http://www.solidqualitylearning.com/
Blog: http://solidqualitylearning.com/blogs/tibor/
"g3000" <carlton_gregory@.yahoo.com> wrote in message
news:1136608836.006898.300840@.g44g2000cwa.googlegr oups.com...
> Did a point in time restore on Win2k Server EE MSSQL 2K EE sp3a
> Database does a full back at 1am
> Then from 4am on does a trans log backup
> So had all file from 1am to about 5pm ( when the restore was attempted
> )
> I personally dont feel good about PITR but it was not my call.
> Did the point in time recovery to 1206pm on that same day.
> The restore ended up being right back at the time the restore was
> started.
> Any ideas?
> I noticed doing the restore from Enterprise Manager when the checkbox
> for point in time was clicked the list of backup files with checks by
> them did not change.
> Dont think they are supposed to.
> How can I find out at what point in time the database actually did the
> restore too?
>
|||Thanks for the reply.
Question:
How buggy is just applying the full backup and then the transaction
logs that I need?
I have
1 full DB backup 1AM
- trans log at 4AM, 5, 6, 7, 8, 9, 10, 11,
12pm, etc
I wanted to go back to the 12PM trans log
so I can check all from 1AM to that 12pm trans log and I should be
good? Or does it natialize that also?
|||The dialog problem is datetime related. So if you don't do point in time restore, you don't specify
the date and time, and you will not see that problem. But why not just execute the RESTORE command
from Query Analyzer instead?
Tibor Karaszi, SQL Server MVP
http://www.karaszi.com/sqlserver/default.asp
http://www.solidqualitylearning.com/
Blog: http://solidqualitylearning.com/blogs/tibor/
"g3000" <carlton_gregory@.yahoo.com> wrote in message
news:1136772868.780191.238640@.f14g2000cwb.googlegr oups.com...
> Thanks for the reply.
> Question:
> How buggy is just applying the full backup and then the transaction
> logs that I need?
> I have
> 1 full DB backup 1AM
> - trans log at 4AM, 5, 6, 7, 8, 9, 10, 11,
> 12pm, etc
> I wanted to go back to the 12PM trans log
> so I can check all from 1AM to that 12pm trans log and I should be
> good? Or does it natialize that also?
>
|||why not do it from where I am? I am not being smart, I just dont know
the benefits vs disadvantages
|||Well, since you don't do PITR, you will not get your most recent data. Also, as you have noticed,
there's a bug in EM, and such we will find from time to time. Learning writing and executing TSQL
makes us handle those situations quickly and solve the problem with minimal impact on your
production system. I think that Aaron has an article on EM vs. QA on www.aspfaq.com.
Tibor Karaszi, SQL Server MVP
http://www.karaszi.com/sqlserver/default.asp
http://www.solidqualitylearning.com/
Blog: http://solidqualitylearning.com/blogs/tibor/
"g3000" <carlton_gregory@.yahoo.com> wrote in message
news:1136843293.506230.8680@.g14g2000cwa.googlegrou ps.com...
> why not do it from where I am? I am not being smart, I just dont know
> the benefits vs disadvantages
>
|||Thank You Tibor for your time and your professionalism.
I will read that article.
I will continue my walk away from the Oracle world !!!

Full Restore Question

Did a point in time restore on Win2k Server EE MSSQL 2K EE sp3a
Database does a full back at 1am
Then from 4am on does a trans log backup
So had all file from 1am to about 5pm ( when the restore was attempted
)
I personally dont feel good about PITR but it was not my call.
Did the point in time recovery to 1206pm on that same day.
The restore ended up being right back at the time the restore was
started.
Any ideas?
I noticed doing the restore from Enterprise Manager when the checkbox
for point in time was clicked the list of backup files with checks by
them did not change.
Dont think they are supposed to.
How can I find out at what point in time the database actually did the
restore too?EM has a but in the PITR dialog, as it natializes that datetime display and
sends that string into
SQL Server, which in turn can be misinterpreted. Do the restore from QA and
use a language neutral
way of expressing the datetime literals (STOPAT value), like 'YYYYMMDD hh:mm
:ss'.
Tibor Karaszi, SQL Server MVP
http://www.karaszi.com/sqlserver/default.asp
http://www.solidqualitylearning.com/
Blog: http://solidqualitylearning.com/blogs/tibor/
"g3000" <carlton_gregory@.yahoo.com> wrote in message
news:1136608836.006898.300840@.g44g2000cwa.googlegroups.com...
> Did a point in time restore on Win2k Server EE MSSQL 2K EE sp3a
> Database does a full back at 1am
> Then from 4am on does a trans log backup
> So had all file from 1am to about 5pm ( when the restore was attempted
> )
> I personally dont feel good about PITR but it was not my call.
> Did the point in time recovery to 1206pm on that same day.
> The restore ended up being right back at the time the restore was
> started.
> Any ideas?
> I noticed doing the restore from Enterprise Manager when the checkbox
> for point in time was clicked the list of backup files with checks by
> them did not change.
> Dont think they are supposed to.
> How can I find out at what point in time the database actually did the
> restore too?
>|||Thanks for the reply.
Question:
How buggy is just applying the full backup and then the transaction
logs that I need?
I have
1 full DB backup 1AM
- trans log at 4AM, 5, 6, 7, 8, 9, 10, 11,
12pm, etc
I wanted to go back to the 12PM trans log
so I can check all from 1AM to that 12pm trans log and I should be
good? Or does it natialize that also?|||The dialog problem is datetime related. So if you don't do point in time res
tore, you don't specify
the date and time, and you will not see that problem. But why not just execu
te the RESTORE command
from Query Analyzer instead?
Tibor Karaszi, SQL Server MVP
http://www.karaszi.com/sqlserver/default.asp
http://www.solidqualitylearning.com/
Blog: http://solidqualitylearning.com/blogs/tibor/
"g3000" <carlton_gregory@.yahoo.com> wrote in message
news:1136772868.780191.238640@.f14g2000cwb.googlegroups.com...
> Thanks for the reply.
> Question:
> How buggy is just applying the full backup and then the transaction
> logs that I need?
> I have
> 1 full DB backup 1AM
> - trans log at 4AM, 5, 6, 7, 8, 9, 10, 11,
> 12pm, etc
> I wanted to go back to the 12PM trans log
> so I can check all from 1AM to that 12pm trans log and I should be
> good? Or does it natialize that also?
>|||why not do it from where I am? I am not being smart, I just dont know
the benefits vs disadvantages|||Well, since you don't do PITR, you will not get your most recent data. Also,
as you have noticed,
there's a bug in EM, and such we will find from time to time. Learning writi
ng and executing TSQL
makes us handle those situations quickly and solve the problem with minimal
impact on your
production system. I think that Aaron has an article on EM vs. QA on www.aspfaq.co
m.
Tibor Karaszi, SQL Server MVP
http://www.karaszi.com/sqlserver/default.asp
http://www.solidqualitylearning.com/
Blog: http://solidqualitylearning.com/blogs/tibor/
"g3000" <carlton_gregory@.yahoo.com> wrote in message
news:1136843293.506230.8680@.g14g2000cwa.googlegroups.com...
> why not do it from where I am? I am not being smart, I just dont know
> the benefits vs disadvantages
>|||Thank You Tibor for your time and your professionalism.
I will read that article.
I will continue my walk away from the Oracle world !!!

Full Restore Question

Did a point in time restore on Win2k Server EE MSSQL 2K EE sp3a
Database does a full back at 1am
Then from 4am on does a trans log backup
So had all file from 1am to about 5pm ( when the restore was attempted
)
I personally dont feel good about PITR but it was not my call.
Did the point in time recovery to 1206pm on that same day.
The restore ended up being right back at the time the restore was
started.
Any ideas?
I noticed doing the restore from Enterprise Manager when the checkbox
for point in time was clicked the list of backup files with checks by
them did not change.
Dont think they are supposed to.
How can I find out at what point in time the database actually did the
restore too?EM has a but in the PITR dialog, as it natializes that datetime display and sends that string into
SQL Server, which in turn can be misinterpreted. Do the restore from QA and use a language neutral
way of expressing the datetime literals (STOPAT value), like 'YYYYMMDD hh:mm:ss'.
--
Tibor Karaszi, SQL Server MVP
http://www.karaszi.com/sqlserver/default.asp
http://www.solidqualitylearning.com/
Blog: http://solidqualitylearning.com/blogs/tibor/
"g3000" <carlton_gregory@.yahoo.com> wrote in message
news:1136608836.006898.300840@.g44g2000cwa.googlegroups.com...
> Did a point in time restore on Win2k Server EE MSSQL 2K EE sp3a
> Database does a full back at 1am
> Then from 4am on does a trans log backup
> So had all file from 1am to about 5pm ( when the restore was attempted
> )
> I personally dont feel good about PITR but it was not my call.
> Did the point in time recovery to 1206pm on that same day.
> The restore ended up being right back at the time the restore was
> started.
> Any ideas?
> I noticed doing the restore from Enterprise Manager when the checkbox
> for point in time was clicked the list of backup files with checks by
> them did not change.
> Dont think they are supposed to.
> How can I find out at what point in time the database actually did the
> restore too?
>|||Thanks for the reply.
Question:
How buggy is just applying the full backup and then the transaction
logs that I need?
I have
1 full DB backup 1AM
- trans log at 4AM, 5, 6, 7, 8, 9, 10, 11,
12pm, etc
I wanted to go back to the 12PM trans log
so I can check all from 1AM to that 12pm trans log and I should be
good? Or does it natialize that also?|||The dialog problem is datetime related. So if you don't do point in time restore, you don't specify
the date and time, and you will not see that problem. But why not just execute the RESTORE command
from Query Analyzer instead?
--
Tibor Karaszi, SQL Server MVP
http://www.karaszi.com/sqlserver/default.asp
http://www.solidqualitylearning.com/
Blog: http://solidqualitylearning.com/blogs/tibor/
"g3000" <carlton_gregory@.yahoo.com> wrote in message
news:1136772868.780191.238640@.f14g2000cwb.googlegroups.com...
> Thanks for the reply.
> Question:
> How buggy is just applying the full backup and then the transaction
> logs that I need?
> I have
> 1 full DB backup 1AM
> - trans log at 4AM, 5, 6, 7, 8, 9, 10, 11,
> 12pm, etc
> I wanted to go back to the 12PM trans log
> so I can check all from 1AM to that 12pm trans log and I should be
> good? Or does it natialize that also?
>|||why not do it from where I am? I am not being smart, I just dont know
the benefits vs disadvantages|||Well, since you don't do PITR, you will not get your most recent data. Also, as you have noticed,
there's a bug in EM, and such we will find from time to time. Learning writing and executing TSQL
makes us handle those situations quickly and solve the problem with minimal impact on your
production system. I think that Aaron has an article on EM vs. QA on www.aspfaq.com.
--
Tibor Karaszi, SQL Server MVP
http://www.karaszi.com/sqlserver/default.asp
http://www.solidqualitylearning.com/
Blog: http://solidqualitylearning.com/blogs/tibor/
"g3000" <carlton_gregory@.yahoo.com> wrote in message
news:1136843293.506230.8680@.g14g2000cwa.googlegroups.com...
> why not do it from where I am? I am not being smart, I just dont know
> the benefits vs disadvantages
>|||Thank You Tibor for your time and your professionalism.
I will read that article.
I will continue my walk away from the Oracle world !!!

FULL and Tran Backup

The .bak and .trn seem to eat up too much disk space. What are the best
practices? We have to have point -in- time capability so it needs to be in
Full recovery mode. How do you prevent this from crashing the server? Do i
have to buy more disk. Appreciate any advice...> The .bak and .trn seem to eat up too much disk space. What are the best
> practices?
Delete the old backup files, determined by the number of backup generations you want to have on
disk. If you don't use the maint wizard, make sure that you do overwrite at suitable schedule (see
the INIT and NOINIT options to the backup command).
And, needless to say, make sure you also copy the backup files to other machine, tape and/or
offsite.
--
Tibor Karaszi, SQL Server MVP
http://www.karaszi.com/sqlserver/default.asp
http://www.solidqualitylearning.com/
"morphius" <morphius@.discussions.microsoft.com> wrote in message
news:EFD903D5-3AD8-44E2-B7AC-815BD14DBC94@.microsoft.com...
> The .bak and .trn seem to eat up too much disk space. What are the best
> practices? We have to have point -in- time capability so it needs to be in
> Full recovery mode. How do you prevent this from crashing the server? Do i
> have to buy more disk. Appreciate any advice...|||Hi
You don't say how long you keep the backups on disc and when it would be
acceptable to delete them. If they are stored safely elsewhere you can delete
the files but this will be at the expense of increased time needed to
recover. You will need to decide what the cut off is for this and if you
don't have enough disc space to hold that many backups, then you will need to
get more.
HTH
John
"morphius" wrote:
> The .bak and .trn seem to eat up too much disk space. What are the best
> practices? We have to have point -in- time capability so it needs to be in
> Full recovery mode. How do you prevent this from crashing the server? Do i
> have to buy more disk. Appreciate any advice...

FULL and Tran Backup

The .bak and .trn seem to eat up too much disk space. What are the best
practices? We have to have point -in- time capability so it needs to be in
Full recovery mode. How do you prevent this from crashing the server? Do i
have to buy more disk. Appreciate any advice...> The .bak and .trn seem to eat up too much disk space. What are the best
> practices?
Delete the old backup files, determined by the number of backup generations
you want to have on
disk. If you don't use the maint wizard, make sure that you do overwrite at
suitable schedule (see
the INIT and NOINIT options to the backup command).
And, needless to say, make sure you also copy the backup files to other mach
ine, tape and/or
offsite.
Tibor Karaszi, SQL Server MVP
http://www.karaszi.com/sqlserver/default.asp
http://www.solidqualitylearning.com/
"morphius" <morphius@.discussions.microsoft.com> wrote in message
news:EFD903D5-3AD8-44E2-B7AC-815BD14DBC94@.microsoft.com...
> The .bak and .trn seem to eat up too much disk space. What are the best
> practices? We have to have point -in- time capability so it needs to be in
> Full recovery mode. How do you prevent this from crashing the server? Do i
> have to buy more disk. Appreciate any advice...|||Hi
You don't say how long you keep the backups on disc and when it would be
acceptable to delete them. If they are stored safely elsewhere you can delet
e
the files but this will be at the expense of increased time needed to
recover. You will need to decide what the cut off is for this and if you
don't have enough disc space to hold that many backups, then you will need t
o
get more.
HTH
John
"morphius" wrote:

> The .bak and .trn seem to eat up too much disk space. What are the best
> practices? We have to have point -in- time capability so it needs to be in
> Full recovery mode. How do you prevent this from crashing the server? Do i
> have to buy more disk. Appreciate any advice...

FULL and Tran Backup

The .bak and .trn seem to eat up too much disk space. What are the best
practices? We have to have point -in- time capability so it needs to be in
Full recovery mode. How do you prevent this from crashing the server? Do i
have to buy more disk. Appreciate any advice...
Hi
You don't say how long you keep the backups on disc and when it would be
acceptable to delete them. If they are stored safely elsewhere you can delete
the files but this will be at the expense of increased time needed to
recover. You will need to decide what the cut off is for this and if you
don't have enough disc space to hold that many backups, then you will need to
get more.
HTH
John
"morphius" wrote:

> The .bak and .trn seem to eat up too much disk space. What are the best
> practices? We have to have point -in- time capability so it needs to be in
> Full recovery mode. How do you prevent this from crashing the server? Do i
> have to buy more disk. Appreciate any advice...